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Indy
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David
19 years ago
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Not sure what the odds are, but I like Helio Castronuevez to win Indy.
Spiderman baby!
Catron
19 years ago
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David,

If you really wanted to be funny you should have titled your post
In-deeeeeeee..good luck with Helio.
HC
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
David,
If you really wanted to be funny you should have titled your post
In-deeeeeeee..good luck with Helio.
Shouldn't you be getting ready for work, donut boy?
g***@yahoo.com
19 years ago
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You people are sad to watch... it's a beautiful day out and you clowns
spend the day sitting at your computers, feverishly pounding the
keyboard with one hand and spanking your monkey with the other.
Spending the Memorial Day holiday sending flames and insults back and
forth. What a bunch of retards.
HC
19 years ago
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Post by g***@yahoo.com
You people are sad to watch... it's a beautiful day out
It's 93 degrees and thunderstorms where I am.

I guess the concept of regional weather escapes George. Mighty smart
fella, that George.
g***@yahoo.com
19 years ago
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Post by HC
It's 93 degrees and thunderstorms where I am.
You should go outside on such a nice day... and wave around a metal
golf club when you hear the thunder rolling in.
Catron
19 years ago
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Marc,

It was recently brought to my attention that you participated in a
fantasy football league called "The Cage" and your team played under
the name "None Better"..Just wondering how your team finished in the
standings of that league? I would imagine you did well as you said the
NFL is your area of expertise.
o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
Marc,
It was recently brought to my attention that you participated in a
fantasy football league called "The Cage" and your team played under
the name "None Better"..Just wondering how your team finished in the
standings of that league? I would imagine you did well as you said the
NFL is your area of expertise.
james?/jason?/neither?

It was recently brought to my attention again that
you BOASTED about "allegedly" being a great baseball
capper. Just wondering WHEN it is that you will climb
out of the toilet and actually begin posting those
supposed winners you BOASTED about. As of this morning
your documented/posted MLB picks - as scored by the
"one unit per play documentation standard" are
31-40, -16.38 units
Oh and have you figured out your name yet?
Last we checked you were still VERY confused about it.
HC
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
It was recently brought to my attention that you participated in a
fantasy football league called "The Cage"
Brought to your attention?

You focus so much energy on me that you are now discussing TheHCapper
and something as meaningless as fantasy football with friendless Dave
in email? Or did you two MANLY MEN chit chat it up on the phone,
giggling amongst yourselves about big bad HCapper and his buddy Brian?
Post by Catron
and your team played under
the name "None Better"..Just wondering how your team finished in the
standings of that league? I would imagine you did well as you said the
NFL is your area of expertise.
Aparantly Catron and David the homophobes, would rather finish in first
place in a no money fantasy football league than produce a four year
winning NFL ATS record.

Well, David went to law school, graduated and passed the bar and is
unemployed and can't keep a job as a lawyer.

Catron as you've all seen is up all night working a graveyard shift
somewhere, donuts maybe but what difference does it make if it's donuts
or gas station booth attendant?

Should come as no surprise to anybody that fantasy land fun and games
is of more import than actually making real money to two life losers
like that.

I'm just surprised I haven't been accused of sucking cock yet, simply
for even participating with 15 other men in *any* activity.
David
19 years ago
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HC, your spelling is atrocious - what year did you drop out from junior
high? You should've at least hung in there 'til you graduated sixth grade.

As for your flameout in the Cage, you went where no man has gone before.
Wire to wire worst record - and lowest points in the league. You were the
League's laughed at bitch. Heading into Week 04, you not so subtly changed
your team name so it no longer read as, "NONE BETTER."

Upon being informed you were going to be shit out of the league, you
pleaded, implored the league, made lengthy, windy, drawn out and
drama-queenish efforts ... all in hopes your ridiculously pitiful
performance would be forgiven. Sorry Charlie. I actually wanted to keep
you in as our goofy little punching bag, but the fact no one respected you
or liked you probably is what did you in.

Unfortunately, your pal "Brian" wasn't there to tell you what to do.

Are these your words, or are they not?

"Without Brian's tutalage, I was a loser, WITH Brian I am a winner."

You remind me of the pitiful reaction from Sally Field at the mic for her
performance in "Punch Line" to the Academy: "YOU LOVE ME, YOU REALLY
REEEEEALLY LOVE ME!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah, you're a real monstah, Goldstein - an 'effin' beast!!!!!!!!!

Wick
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HC
19 years ago
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I think you're a homosexual with father issues.

"You love me, you really love me . . ." Is that how you felt, David,
when you and Catron were chatting it up into the "wee hours" (as Catron
puts it). That *did* happen Dave, you *did* have a little girly chat
"behind the scenes" right, el faggo?

So you go and actually DO the deed, you ACT like a little pansy ass
gossipy bitch, and then accuse others of the actions that you yourself
are responsible for. Classic projection from a mental case. You have my
sympathy. You and Catron are buddying up at 3 AM so that you two MANLY
MEN can plot the overthrow of HCapper's empire.

Is that supposed to make me angry? That you care about retarded shit?

This is what you do, every where you go, you're like a fucking
mosquito. If it makes you happy to be known as a homosexual mosquito
with father issues then, well done I say.
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o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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Yep, he's like the jerk who FARTS in
a crowded elevator then reacts to the
guy next to him as if the other guy
did it!
Especially given his own words shown here:


From: "David" <***@san.rr.com> [aka. Wick]
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:46:25 GMT
X-Trace: typhoon.san.rr.com 1011570385 24.94.6.67
Post by HC
david,
it's a well known fact throughout the GAY community,
that San Diego is a haven for HOMOSEXUAL activity.
what's your take on this?
"...just plain giddy to be immersed in MY ELEMENT!
Why don'tcha come on out - and we'll go "tool"
around together?"

http://tinyurl.com/jnkph
HC
19 years ago
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Post by David
Yeah, you're a real monstah, Goldstein - an 'effin' beast!!!!!!!!!
I don't claim to be either, and my name's not Goldstein.

I merely stated that you are most likely a homosexual with father
issues.

That's what we do here, we utilize probability to try and accurately
predict an outcome. Based on your performance, what you've written in
the past 24 hours, I'd say it was a smart bet that you are in fact a
homosexual.

There's value in betting ON "father issues" but I'd make the odds a bit
longer than "homosexual" YES.

"Homosexual" YES, is like a fucking lock.

That's all I'm sayin'.
g***@yahoo.com
19 years ago
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and masturbating
HC
19 years ago
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Post by g***@yahoo.com
and masturbating
That was an excellent post, George.

I think people are really starting to be swayed in your direction
especially after a pearl like that one. You really do know how to
influence people. Good for you.
HC
19 years ago
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Post by David
HC, your spelling is atrocious - what year did you drop out from junior
high? You should've at least hung in there 'til you graduated sixth grade.
I did very well in junior high, maintained excellent grades and was at
the top of my class. Unfortunately, when I arrived at high school, I
met a whole bunch of new people and spent way too much time drinking
and getting high and roaming around following the Grateful Dead.
Certainly if I had it to do over I would have done it differently,
education in my opinion is the single most important thing going on in
a child's life. But I did have a lot of fun, and I did gain valuable
life experience, and managed to graduate high school anyway. I even
went on to college, but that didn't work out as well as I wish it would
have, I was still partying and never got the diploma . . . like you
did.

I know this is in stark contrast to your high school resume, we know
you graduated with good enough grades to get yourself into law school.
In fact, you did well there too, graduated and then went on to pass the
bar. You must be very smart.

So why is it then that I live in a $700k home, and you can't get a job?

Oh, don't kid yourself David, it wasn't easy. First I had to take a
shot on a property that I bought for aprox 800k with a huge mortgage
and sold a year and a half later for 1.5m. I bought the house I'm
living in now with the PROFIT from the sale of the beach house. So it's
true that I no longer live on the Intracoastal, but you know in life
there are all sorts of trade offs. For example I have no mortgage
payment to make, and I live around the corner from my new wife's son's
school. And the house I bought for a little over 600k less than a year
ago is now apraised at just under 700k.

David, my Weber grill probably costs more than the car you drive is
worth.

If you're looking for somebody to blame for all this, because that
seems to be what you do best, place blame on others for your own
shortcommings, blame Jerry Garcia I guess.

But I bet you did real well in junior high school, junior. Good for you!
David
19 years ago
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Marc,

Your story actually impressed me - it appeared you were perfectly candid. It doesn't mean I won't still be a shithead and bust your nuts (and I hope you continue to try to cheez me), but your apparent candor was actually halfway cool. Lots of folks lie and tell everyone they've either got 38 double D's or 9 inch tools or the house is "cozy" or whatever horsecrap they float out there, when in fact they're simply engaging in false adverstising. Your story struck me as plausible, and you actually struck me as credible - and dare-I-say "impressive."

From my end, I'm in the bizarro-world of being freakishly off-the-charts smart (no way I bust out the IQ - folks will see it as cyber-bullshit or bragging so to hell with that), am fairly tall (6'3"), am supposedly very attractive, fit, athletic in a number of sports, smooth socially - very adept socially with any type of age, color, gender, personality (when I choose to be) and just have lots of breaks plus "earned" degrees and bar accreditations despite partying my ass off with girls and my pals like a damned fool. It all came easy. Too easy. Even stomping out the Bar Exam was at least, relatively easy. Not a breeze by any means on the California Bar - but a lot less effort than my peers.

Think I'm bragging? Think I'm talking myself UP? Wrong. Way wrong.

So many gifts - so little fulfillment of that potential. Lots of people with much less given to them make so much more of their lives. Marc, you appear to fall into that category - so that deserves a doff of the cap.

My life is very happy, very comfortable and I live quite contently in a beautiful big house in a wonderful neighborhood with my girlfriend of six years and a dog who is adored beyond belief. The neighborhood, city, career, my crew of real life buddies and their wives, all of it is actually pretty damned cool.

Still, even with all those plusses - there's a saying that always makes me feel actually pretty guilty that I didn't bring out the heavy guns and see what the hell could have happened after the fur stopped flying. "To whom so much is given, much is expected."

"TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS EXPECTED."

I am most definitely not a millionaire and further concede that I failed to fully tap all the gifts God hooked me up with. I never really tapped the well - and it makes me contemplate the possibilities. Who knows? Though things are very cool and I'm very grateful for that, your e-mail kind of somehow struck a chord.

Anyway, I'll still bust your beanbag just 'cuz it's kind of entertaining to engage certain personalitities - but in this one post, you get the aforementioned doff of the cap. Glad it's all cool for you and your gal, and her son.

David
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Catron
19 years ago
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I see Marc was in the mood to share his life story with us..his history
of drug abuse does explain many things..the puzzle is starting to come
together folks.
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HC
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
I see Marc was in the mood to share his life story with us..his history
of drug abuse does explain many things..
Yeah, it explains why my net worth is only seven figures and not eight.



David shared his story with us too.

But not Catron.

What's he gonna do tell us about that time he was having dinner with
his family when his father gave him the "white is right" speech?

James, let it all hang out and tell us exactly when it was that your
mom and dad FINALLY got it through to your head that Jews are evil.
Post by Catron
the puzzle is starting to come
together
James is puzzled. Can't figure out wha's going on.

But I bet he whips through the TV guide crossword like a champ!
Post by Catron
folks.
Folks? Isn't that cute, James/Jason/Neither thinks he has a friend
somewhere.

Catron, just remember, to whom nothing is given, nothing is expected.

You've exceeded all expectations just by being able to turn on your
computer.

OK, is it all good? Now that we're square, how about posting some more
baseball picks, it would really tweak my drug addled mind to move even
farther ahead of you in the standings.

Have you seen the scoreboard lately, baseball betting expert?
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Catron
19 years ago
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I will finish ahead of you in the standings.

I am your hero

I wouldnt change anything about my upbringing. I dont feel the need to
share my life story on a sports wagering newsgroup. If you ever want to
come to Maryland to meet your hero face to face I suppose I could sign
a few autographs and take some pictures

We are all square now

Thanks.
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HC
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
I dont feel the need to
share my life story on a sports wagering newsgroup.
No, you only feel the need to explain why you won't.

Nice to see that after all the years, you STILL answer to me.
Post by Catron
We are all square now
Then where are your picks?
HC
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
I am your hero
======rewind back to just this past weekend========
Post by Catron
It was recently brought to my attention that you participated in a
fantasy football league called "The Cage"
Brought to your attention?

You focus so much energy on me that you are now discussing TheHCapper
and something as meaningless as fantasy football with friendless Dave
in email? Or did you two MANLY MEN chit chat it up on the phone,
giggling amongst yourselves about big bad HCapper and his buddy Brian?

======end rewind==============================

He's MY hero?!?

Maybe he doesn't remember typing that being how it was 3:14 in the
morning.

Jimmy, here's a tip for ya . . . don't agree with or repeat *anything*
Steve "Riley Martin" Pesigan says. Send Dave an email, tell him what
I'm sayin' here in the newsgroup, and ask him what he thinks, and I
guarantee you that he will tell you NOT to appear to be on the side of
a guy that claims to predict earthquakes, airline disasters, and
sporting events using the same methodology. Listen to me, earthquakes
aren't like baseball games, they can't be predicted the same way, you
have never seen a mound erupt spewing lava, and you'll never see an
earthquake throw a 95 mph fastball, and even if you had the best
seismometer or seismograph in the world Texas *still* would have beaten
Seattle the other night. And besides that, it's *never* a good idea to
side with the one guy in the room that's telling people that the entire
Apollo program was a scam, and that we never went to the moon, and then
getting belligerent with people for disagreeing with him. Are you
getting any of this Jason? It's like this . . . it's bad enough that
the guy is arguing that we never went to the moon, that by itself is
what it is, but THIS guy, takes it to the point that he believes
anybody that DOESN'T think it's obvious that the entire Apollo program
was a fake is nuts! Jerry, I'm POSITIVE that if you thought that the
entire Apollo program was a fake and that we didn't really go to the
moon, you'd at least understand that OTHER people would think you were
nuts for thinking it. This guy Steve misses that even.So the moral of
the story is, shut the fuck up you retarded monkey and post some
fucking baseball picks you fucking loser so that I can bet the other
sides and pay my bills with the proceeds. I would rather do that than
work, what the fuck is it going tot ake to get you to PLEASE start
posting your picks again?

Your hero
Catron
19 years ago
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Marc,

I will still be posting some baseball picks but most of my time spent
handicapping will be on the French open and the world cup which begins
June 9th. I will post enough picks in baseball for your book to take
some money from you.

I agree that it's rediculous for Steve to think the apollo program was
a fake but he has the right to believe what he wants regardless of how
assinine his beliefs are to you and I.
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Catron
19 years ago
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David,

If people are going to believe you're freakishly off the charts smart,
socially smooth, tall, athletic, and very attractive, live in a big
beautiful house in a nice neighborhood with your loving wife, dog, and
white picket fence why wouldnt they also believe that you have an
exceptionally high IQ? If they will believe everything that you
mentioned I dont think anyone would think the very high IQ is cyber
bullshit.
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David
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
David,
If people are going to believe you're freakishly off the charts smart,
socially smooth, tall, athletic, and very attractive, live in a big
beautiful house in a nice neighborhood with your loving wife, dog, and
white picket fence why wouldnt they also believe that you have an
exceptionally high IQ? If they will believe everything that you
mentioned I dont think anyone would think the very high IQ is cyber
bullshit.
Cat,

I read what I wrote the next day. It's mainly on all fours, but I'd like to
humble the hell out on some of those comments.

For starters, I'm most definitely not unbelievably attractive - that was a
lame statement. Who on the internet doesn't say that. And a number of gals
apparently agree that I'm nothing that magical - so reading that the next
day, I kind of cringed a bit. No one has asked me to pose for any Calvin
Klein underwear in my lifetime.

Besides, looks don't last forever - no matter how good a hand you get dealt
your way. Lastly, looks aren't really what people are all about - putting
that in there was just to underscore all of the gifts that came my way, and
how I only tapped them to a limited extent. How would things've played out
if I went balls out, really jammed leadfoot on the throttle ?

These are questions I never really asked of myself because I was always
quite stoked as things played out, but as you approach mid-life - you ask
yourself questions.
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Catron
19 years ago
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David,

You say you only tapped your abilities to a certain extent as if you
arent still capable of reaching your full potential..Im sure you still
have plenty of time to reach whatever goals you would like to reach.
The way you described your current life seems pretty good but it almost
sounds like you have decided that where you are now is as far as you
can go. Not trying to play psychologist here, just an observation
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David
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
David,
You say you only tapped your abilities to a certain extent as if you
arent still capable of reaching your full potential..Im sure you still
have plenty of time to reach whatever goals you would like to reach.
The way you described your current life seems pretty good but it almost
sounds like you have decided that where you are now is as far as you
can go. Not trying to play psychologist here, just an observation
Cat,

Your advice is all good, and very well-taken/well-received. Thanks dude.

Hey, I'm not saying shit blows by any means - that's part of the problem.
Things are all pretty cool - and it strikes me funny that .

However, when you catch so many breaks that you never really appreciated
over the years, and then you see people born blind or get suffer third
degree burns all over their body to the point their ears and nose melt off
and all the rest - it makes you think. Some times you question whether you
stepped it up enough. It's just a weird phase that's hit lately here on
this end.

Anyway, thanks again man for the kind words. Just mellowing watching
Nowitzki taking a giant dump all over the Suns.
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HC
19 years ago
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God damn if you aint every fucking thing you accuse others of being.
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David
19 years ago
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Nah dude. I bust your nuts 'cuz you're a fairy of epic proportions - ya
really fag it up, dude. I'm no socially awkward fairy only comfortable
behind a keyboard where I've made it priority one to try to shield my
identity and true self. That's your business.

Normally, I stick up for guys just like you - always have since high school.
I've always stepped in to look out for guys who got bullied simply for being
weak. I stick up for animals being abused too and always have - don't dig
seeing the meek getting shit on.

However, you're a pansy - who has been emboldened by the safety of anonymous
internet communication, and you try to "bully" other softer targets ... in a
very safe game. As such, it's kind of fun to monkey with you a little bit -
especially when you let folks see the real you. I think you know better
than everyone else what I'm talking about. When you open up and showcase
what you're all about, it's quite a display.

Are you necessarily a bad guy? Nah, I don't think so. You'd probably be a
lot cooler in person. But the fact you're profoundly insecure yet try so
desperately to conceal your real self and paint a portrait that says
otherwise .... all at the expense of others only through the liberation of
the internet ... makes you an inviting target.
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Steve
19 years ago
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Catron, step aside!
Looks like HC aka OBAI aka Brian aka who cares found a new hero!
(Yikes)
HC
19 years ago
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I understand that you're threatened by men and you see "fags" around
every corner. If one were to go and do a search on your usenet posts
one would find homosexual references laced throughout your entire
posting history. Your MO is to find somebody you want to fight with and
then accuse them of being a homosexual. It's 95% of your entire act -
and was funny six years ago - but is a very tired act at this point.
Post by David
I'm no socially awkward fairy
The fact that you defend yourself thusly, and feel a need to reinforce
to people that are drawing their own conclusions about you, *usually*
is a strong indicator that you *are* and I *know* you'd agree with that
if we were talking about somebody besides yourself.
Post by David
only comfortable
behind a keyboard where I've made it priority one to try to shield my
identity and true self. That's your business.
Actually, it's not. My "identity" is well known to whom I want it to be
well known to and to whom I trust with it. I've met live and in person
with numerous people that I know from here. Do I need to counsel you on
the necessity of being careful about identifying yourself to people on
the Internet? Perhaps because you spend the majority of YOUR time on
usenet over in the fairy fantasy football newsgroup, where the vast
majority of posters are KIDS, you may not be exposed to the kind of
sick individuals that float around the gambling groups. You have an
unbelievably narrow frame of reference, and for somebody that's
supposed to be as smart as you claim to be, you sure are stupid about
what some sick mentally ill shut ins will do to you if you let them get
a hold of your personal info. I don't "shield my true self," I shield
my identity. Because I am a target and it's the smart thing to do. Are
you not aware that there are sick people that would give their left nut
to gain the personal information of those they deem "enemies" so that
they can harrass them offline? Surely you are, and it's happened here.
Are you aware that "TheHCapper" was actually named in a $1 billion
federal lawsuit? Get this, some freak of fucking nature named Gordon
Roy Parker, that goes by the name of "Ray Gordon" alleged that
"TheHCapper" was part of some vast RICO conspiracy and that
"TheHCapper" was in cahoots with 100 other John Doe defendants
conspiring to prevent him from being able to do business. Sorry David,
I know you think I'm stupid, but trust me, I'm not *that* stupid that I
would allow some freak into my life so he can harrass me, my family and
anybody I'm associated with. If you think that makes me a "fairy" then
what can I tell you, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that
basically, I don't give a shit what you think because I have zero
respect for you.
Post by David
Normally, I stick up for guys just like you -
David, HC doesn't need your help. Or want it. And when you found that
out after I told you so in email after you emailed me beging me to
align with you in some sort of fucking fairy lets go get 'em
partnership, that's when you decided that I was going to be your
target. It has nothing to do with who I am or how I act, it has
EVERYTHING to do with the fact that I turned you down, and rejected
your bid for friendship. I'll let the psychologically inclined spell it
out for you but in a nutshell your advances were rejected and you went
Glenn Close Fatal Attraction on me. Sorry Dave, that doesn't make any
sense. You act like an asshole, get rejected for acting like an
asshole, and respond to the rejection by acting like a BIGGER asshole.
Something wholly wrong with that, wouldn't you agree Mr. Michael?
Post by David
always have since high school.
I've always stepped in to look out for guys who got bullied simply for being
weak.
Is that how you see all this, that TheHCapper is "getting bullied
simply for being weak?"
Post by David
I stick up for animals being abused too and always have - don't dig
seeing the meek getting shit on.
However, you're a pansy - who has been emboldened by the safety of anonymous
internet communication, and you try to "bully" other softer targets ...
Dave, take a look at who my enemies are:

1) Catron - Claims to be a 70% handicapper, and has a long history of
making racial and anti-semitic remarks. He posts at 2, 3 and 4 in the
morning and claims he's doing so from "work."

2) Steve Pesigan - claims we never went to the moon, that the entire
Apollo program was a fake and has contempt for those that don't agree
with him. He also claims to predict earthquakes, airline disasters, and
the outcome of sporting events.

Let's move this back a little bit, let's take a look at some of the
people that you *do* know:

1) Chris Gough - Good God David, have you *ever* seen a bigger bragging
asshole than this guy? This guy spent two years here in RGS bragging
about how he's going to retire on his vested interest in WORLDCOM!
He's gonna buy and sell our families. Has there *ever* been a better
example of a person that got what he had coming to him?

2) Magnificent Asshole - I got THIS guy so riled up that he wanted to
meet me, get this, to FIGHT! He even went so far as to proclaim that he
was coming to my neighborhood, and bringing a camera. When I told him
I'd love the opportunity to take his camera away from him and shove it
up his ass, what did he do, David, did he meet up with me, or did he
pussy out?

3) Angel Fatanez - Now here's a good example, this fat tub of shit has
the balls to be calling somebody ELSE fat??

And David, let's not forget where we are . . . this is a handicapping
group where people try and apply their methods for predicting the
outcome of sporting events at a profitale rate. Not only do I not and
never did START with any of the above mentioned assholes, but I kick
their fucking asses at the topic at hand here - handicapping.

It would appear from reading your posts that you are not interested in
truth or accuracy. You have very bad taste in friends (probably because
you have no standards and will be friends with anybody that accepts YOU
as a friend). You are instead interested in being an asshole.

And while it's clear that I'm near the top of the list and one of very
few PROFITABLE NFL handicappers in this place, instead of acknowledging
my accomplishments, you grab a hold of a two week stint, in a bi-weekly
contest that covered over five years and point to that short
meaningless (and even more meaningless if you knew what the rules of
the contest were) run and aren't even satisfied to report the results,
as bad as they were, accurately. Rather you embellish the already bad
results to make them worse, and then hang on to that like a paratrooper
hanging on to his parachute.
Post by David
in a
very safe game.
I'm not playing a game. I call 'em as I see 'em. I report truthfully
and accurately.
Post by David
As such, it's kind of fun to monkey with you a little bit -
especially when you let folks see the real you.
Lots of people know the real me. You're jealous that I rejected you and
refused to allow you in. Get over it, genius.
Post by David
I think you know better
than everyone else what I'm talking about.
I know exactly what you're talking about, I understand how right you
think you are.

Except you're wrong.
Post by David
When you open up and showcase
what you're all about, it's quite a display.
Unfortunately for you, you don't know me, remember? So you don't know
what's real and what's not real, which makes your commentary on such
matters all the more irrelevant.
Post by David
Are you necessarily a bad guy? Nah, I don't think so.
I'd like to understand why you think it matters to me or anybody else
what you think about me.
Post by David
You'd probably be a
lot cooler in person.
Maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to find out. But I doubt that.
Although you have no reason to be, you're probably afraid to meet me
face to face. Just like Angel, just like MB.
Post by David
But the fact you're profoundly insecure
I have my insecurities in life just like the next guy. You don't have
enough real data to make claim to knowing that much about me. You only
know what I let you see and even THAT'S calculated. And you're smart
enough to realize that.
Post by David
yet try so
desperately to conceal your real self
It's not desparately, and I'm not trying to conceal the *person* only
the *identity*. You DO see and know the difference, don't you Dave?
Post by David
and paint a portrait that says
otherwise... all at the expense of others
Others that deserve everything they get. Go ahead, defend racists,
defend conspracy theorists, go ahead defend braggards like Gough,
defend 500 pound obese cab drivers that call other people fat, and go
ahead and defend people that attack the most prolific and helpful and
most successful handicapper, (Brian) in a handicapping forum. Go ahead.
I can't stop you. Just don't expect me to accept you as if you aren't
doing any of those things, sweetie.
Post by David
only through the liberation of
the internet ... makes you an inviting target.
Fire away.
...
David
19 years ago
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HC is laughed at for being a fairy-fied pink-lifting pansy, and somehow concludes, or at least try to portrays he concludes, it's because he's perceived as a threat. Bad conclusion HC. Most guys are know aren't threatened by Richard Simmons types - and find that kind of crap amusing. You're a Richard Simmons type - everyone can see that quite clearly.
Post by HC
Post by David
I'm no socially awkward fairy
The fact that you defend yourself thusly, and feel a need to reinforce
to people that are drawing their own conclusions about you, *usually*
is a strong indicator that you *are* and I *know* you'd agree with that
if we were talking about somebody besides yourself.
Wrong again. It should be rather apparent I know how to comport myself to aptly suit the environment.
...
Apparently you do give a shit about what I think - your post looks like you invested some time and effort in it, and I'm just at the beginning of this novel.
...
Busted again, huh HC? HC, stop lying. Geez man - how many times have you been caught lying? I mean caught red-handed. One post I recall ripping off like a dozen or more objectively verifiable lies from you that I numbered in sequence - shit that could be proven were lies, shit everybody who gave a damn witnessed with their own eyes. So I'll call your bluff. You're claiming I e-mailed you "beging" (sic) you for your friendship because of some Glenn Close Fatal Attraction, so I call bullshit - prove me wrong with a time and date-stamped set of e-mails. I dare ya. You'll claim you don't have it anymore of course, but we know the deal with you. Besides, a Glenn Close Fatal Attraction to you? Yeah, you're so cool and fresh - who wouldn't want to roll with the likes of you and Brian Anthony, the man you gush over as the one who transformed you from a loser into a winner? Yeah dude - anyone hip would really be craving your friendship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...
Look at you. An entire newsgroup saw you lose 22 straight games in those Picasso contests. I was calling attention to it when you were 0-7 and each loss followed for all to see. 0-8 ..(a week later)... 0-11....(a week later).....0-15............blah blah blah ........0-22 before you finally stopped losing. Yet you've repeatedly claimed it never happened. Are you so uncomfortable with yourself and your actions - and find your image to cyber friends you'll never meet that you feel the need to sink to lying? Weak, dude. The list on you is endless. Your orgasm over Brian Anthony, how he took a loser like you and taught you things you were evidently unable to figure out yourself. Your TNUT disaster. Pretty pitiful, dude.
Post by HC
And David, let's not forget where we are . . . this is a handicapping
group where people try and apply their methods for predicting the
outcome of sporting events at a profitale rate. Not only do I not and
never did START with any of the above mentioned assholes, but I kick
their fucking asses at the topic at hand here - handicapping.
Yeah, HC you're a real ass kicker, pal. HAHAHAHA!!!
Post by HC
It would appear from reading your posts that you are not interested in
truth or accuracy. You have very bad taste in friends (probably because
you have no standards and will be friends with anybody that accepts YOU
as a friend). You are instead interested in being an asshole.
With internet silliness, my friends and I bust balls, on anyone and everyone, including each other. We don't get all emotionally invested in this shit like you do. You and I see things very differently. We use our real lives for true relationships. You're the one who craves making cyber-friends, has profanity-laced tirades, is a middle-aged man himself who fawns adoringly over the fact a 60 year old man taught you something. Brian Anthony is your Yoda!
...
HC has finally acknowledged his 0-22 span - though he still is lying about the length of the span. Dude, that was over 3 or 4 of those contests - each of which you finished last or second to last out of 20-25 participants and DEAD LAST in sum total. You also finished DEAD LAST in the Cage on every conceivable level - got booted out and left kicking and screaming like a little kid pulled away from the ice cream truck. Every time I see you do anything, it's a miserable failure - the only stuff you're supposedly good at is the stuff I have to take on faith BECAUSE YOU, A PROVEN LIAR, SAYS SO. Ohhhhh, that's rrrrrich!!!!
Post by HC
Post by David
in a
very safe game.
I'm not playing a game. I call 'em as I see 'em. I report truthfully
and accurately.
Dude....stop.
Post by HC
Post by David
As such, it's kind of fun to monkey with you a little bit -
especially when you let folks see the real you.
Lots of people know the real me. You're jealous that I rejected you and
refused to allow you in. Get over it, genius.
I welcome the proof of this "REJECTION" you speak of. First off, this make-believe REJECTION never happend - I'm begging you to prove it. Secondly, anyone who knows anything about human nature or has any common sense at all, can clearly see my modus operandi is not to concern myself with forging true love bonds with cyber goons - least of all a wobbly-kneed emotional basketcase like you.
Post by HC
Post by David
I think you know better
than everyone else what I'm talking about.
I know exactly what you're talking about, I understand how right you
think you are.
Except you're wrong.
Post by David
When you open up and showcase
what you're all about, it's quite a display.
Unfortunately for you, you don't know me, remember? So you don't know
what's real and what's not real, which makes your commentary on such
matters all the more irrelevant.
So was the TNUT freakout an ACT? Was the time you had a miserable fit when the Cage booted you over your repeated pleas for re-admittance just an ACT? Or the Brian Anthony complete fag-out just an ACT? This list goes on and on. All your tantrums, fits and over-the-top gushing are what you're all about. Are you saying these don't reflect the real you??? I submit they do - there's no plausible reason to think otherwise. It's who you are - and you try desperately to shield the real you. Every time you lose your composure in whatever extreme internet "moment" moves you - you get ridiculed, and then you immediately try to conceal the emotions you bared. We've all seen this time and time again.
Post by HC
Post by David
Are you necessarily a bad guy? Nah, I don't think so.
I'd like to understand why you think it matters to me or anybody else
what you think about me.
Apparently it mattered enough for you to type 3,200 words here. I'm *still* not through mowing through your latest "lash out" outburst because the pain is too much. Whatever happened to those days where you quipped, "Dance Monkey Dance!!!!!!!!!!!"? They soured pretty quickly for ya, didn't they chief? Now looks who's dancing......AGAIN.
Post by HC
Post by David
You'd probably be a
lot cooler in person.
Maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to find out. But I doubt that.
Although you have no reason to be, you're probably afraid to meet me
face to face. Just like Angel, just like MB.
Yes, everyone is threatened and afraid of you - because you say so. Who's buying this? Is even Brian? Do you even believe it? Be honest.
Post by HC
Post by David
But the fact you're profoundly insecure
I have my insecurities in life just like the next guy. You don't have
enough real data to make claim to knowing that much about me. You only
know what I let you see and even THAT'S calculated. And you're smart
enough to realize that.
Read above. Much of what you do IS calculated when you're composed. No argument there muchacho. But when your emotional investment overwhelms your circuits, be it due to rage, sadness, gratitude, ... whatever ...........---> you prove quite convincingly what a pitiful sack o' shit you are. Seriously dude - U R laaaaaame.
...
o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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...
Exactly, HC.
...
Hammer-Nail-Head, as usual, HC!
Post by HC
Post by David
I'm no socially awkward fairy
The fact that you defend yourself thusly, and feel a need to reinforce
to people that are drawing their own conclusions about you, *usually*
is a strong indicator that you *are* and I *know* you'd agree with that
if we were talking about somebody besides yourself.
Accurate and accurate!
There's a wise old saying which applies to wick
and catron who never cease pointing fingers at
others and accusing THEM of being "fags" (similar
to the asshole in the crowded elevator who blows
a triple-burrito fart then acts as if the guy
next to him did it):

"Methinks he doth protest too much!"
...
WOW! Hammer-Nail-Head, ***AGAIN!**, HC!
Post by HC
Post by David
I stick up for animals being abused too and always have - don't dig
seeing the meek getting shit on.
However, you're a pansy - who has been emboldened by the safety of anonymous
internet communication, and you try to "bully" other softer targets ...
1) Catron - Claims to be a 70% handicapper, and has a long history of
making racial and anti-semitic remarks. He posts at 2, 3 and 4 in the
morning and claims he's doing so from "work."
Sorry, minor correction, though understandable
when trying to keep all these loons in order.
james catron, who switched to calling himself
jason catron and even stated point-blank that his
"name is jason catron" and who recently stated
his name was "neither james nor jason catron"
is the TOUT FRAUD with a 1-900 # who claimed to
hit 67% over the span of 6 years and thousands
of picks, and insisted he was sooooooo GREAT he
was forced to hire a "marketing firm" to handle
that end of his TOUT EMPIRE for him. A legend
in his own mind, whatwith his "alleged" AWESOME
handicapping skills and all going for him.
Of course, the verifiable/archived postings at
Google show clearly that well over 80% of his
posts here are FLAMES and less than 5% contain
significant sports-gambling content...
Post by HC
2) Steve Pesigan - claims we never went to the moon, that the entire
Apollo program was a fake and has contempt for those that don't agree
with him. He also claims to predict earthquakes, airline disasters, and
the outcome of sporting events.
And in addition THIS is the guy who decided
to one-up james/jason/neither by claiming
he was a 70% capper...
Where are these two *AWESOME* HANDICAPPERS
in the baseball contest standings?
Post by HC
It would appear from reading your posts that you are not interested in
truth or accuracy. You have very bad taste in friends (probably because
you have no standards and will be friends with anybody that accepts YOU
as a friend). You are instead interested in being an asshole.
Hammer-Nail-Head, as usual, HC!
...
I can't begin to describe just how
DIShonourable those actions were...
...
Hammer-Nail-Head, as usual, HC!
Post by HC
Post by David
Marc,
I agree that it's rediculous for Steve to think the apollo program
was a fake but he has the right to believe what he wants regardless of
how ASSININE his beliefs are to you and I.
Steve
19 years ago
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Post by Catron
I agree that it's rediculous for Steve to think the apollo program was
a fake but he has the right to believe what he wants regardless of how
assinine his beliefs are to you and I.
Sorry catron, keeping this offtopic response as short as possible, but
no, neither "assinine" nor "beliefs" on the lunar issue. There were
simply too many very serious flaws in the apollo "programs" (movies).
Just read up about them. My favorite is still the re-entry using mylar
parachutes to slow a supposed 1+ ton capsule from mach 25!!

The apollo exibit has some good desert shots tho .. too bad they
filtered out the color.

Here's a couple flicks to get you started.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1913474363747128107&q=illuminati

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561&q=moon

But I have no problem what you believe. I still consider you're bright
and intelligent,
unlike a few others here, you may be just a bit uninformed perhaps and
gullible .. like we all were.

Happy viewing,
Steve
Steve
19 years ago
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Catron,

You don't need to watch the entire movie. The juiciest scene is found
in part one at frame: 2:02:20 where one of the "nots" obviously hooked
to a wire support rig was yanked up by a crane studio man, and
performed an impossible feat, gravity being at 1/6th or 1/600th earth's
gravity makes no difference. And the wire glints are a classic.

The second part is a classic too. If these "nots" truly walked the face
of the moon, certainly they wouldn't be as ornery and adamantly opposed
to answering apollo conspiracy questions. Evidently their hush money
for sworn secrecy all these years has payed off: notice how well off
the "nots" all are. Some even walk around with personal body guards. If
I walked on the moon, I'd be the one on the phone to bart for the
interview. I'd pummel him with all kinds of interesting details and
tidbits about every minute of the mission. But instead they are so
ticked they become violent. So these robots obviously didn't go
anywhere in the early 1970s.

The ending is great. At the very end, one of the "nots" sons yells
"want me to call the CIA to have him waxed?" Fine bunch. And the CIA,
now there's a trusty, "we work on behalf of American taxpayers"
business for ya .. RI-I-GHT! CIA, the "We-Be-In-On-The-Hoax-Too" Agency
.. or the Conspiracy Instigator Agency. Ironical how agencies you'd
think were out for the average American taxpayer's protection and
wellbeing are actually established to do exactly the opposite.

The orginal Apollo films were much better than Tom Hanks version IMHO
LMAO.

Great flick! A Keeper. And bravo Bart Sibrel!

Steve
Steve
19 years ago
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And since this thread is old and worn out, why not,
here's George Carlin's 2 cents worth:

http://members.aol.com/RDeanTaylo/CARLIN.mp3
http://members.aol.com/RDeanTaylo/GEORGE.mp3

"A lie gets half way around the world
before the truth has a chance to put its pants on."


"All truth passes through three stages:
denial, violent opposition,
and wide spread acceptance as common knowledge."


"Washington DeCeit: Beyond Treason"


And one for the road .. check out the Einstein picked to lead the
mighty U.S.A. .. a very articulate Yale grad.
http://members.aol.com/RDeanTaylo/GWBush.mp3


Happy Listening
Steve
o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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Steve Pesigan, the Canadian delivery driver
who claims to have a 70% win percentage, and
is an ANTI-Republican claiming GWB is a "FASCIST"
and claims ANOTHER conspiracy theory that GWB
Post by Catron
I agree that it's rediculous for Steve to think the apollo program was
a fake, but he has the right to believe what he wants regardless of how
ASSININE HIS BELIEFS ARE
There were simply too many very serious
flaws in the apollo "programs" (movies).
you may be just a bit uninformed perhaps and gullible ..
Steve Pesigan
Well, I hesitiate to take sides, but I gotta
go with catron on that one.
But here is yet ANOTHER whacko conspiracy theory
from the Canadian delivery driver, steve:


From: "Steve" <***@aol.com>
Date: 11 Nov 2005 13:45:32 -0800

Subject: Re: FASCIST-NEOCON RIGHT-WING SPIN EXCERCISE

"I do find it EXTREMELY suspicious that dubya bush,
who *RARELY* left Washington in 2001, except for
frequent trips to Texas (on taxpayers money no less)
was in Florida the morning of 911 .. in a school
no less. Coincidence? I'm not convinced!
...there's DEFINITELY an gigantic underground adjenda
going on in the great, free country of USA .. and it
ain't from those nasty muslim arabs that the media is
fixated on. lol."

http://tinyurl.com/s7zy6


So anyway, with the entertainment portion
of this post out of the way, I like the
I like the TIGERS tonight for two reasons:

1/ Verlander and bullpen should have a
SIGNIFICANT EDGE over Wang et al.
Almost a LARGE edge on the mound.
Each team bats equally well vs RHP.

2/ Angle. It is VERY RARE that a WINNING
team with a WINNING home record, loses
3 straight home games to an opponent (unless
opp is a SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER team with the
much better ROAD record to prove it)
let alone lose FOUR straight at home!
Of course, angles are NOT guaranteed!
o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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Steve Pesigan, the Canadian delivery driver
who claims to have a 70% win percentage, and
is an ANTI-Republican claiming GWB is a "FASCIST"
and claims ANOTHER conspiracy theory that GWB
Post by Catron
I agree that it's rediculous for Steve to think the apollo program was
a fake, but he has the right to believe what he wants regardless of how
ASSININE HIS BELIEFS ARE
There were simply too many very serious
flaws in the apollo "programs" (movies).
you may be just a bit uninformed perhaps and gullible ..
Steve Pesigan
Well, I hesitiate to take sides, but I gotta
go with catron on that one.
But here is yet ANOTHER whacko conspiracy theory
from the Canadian delivery driver, steve:


From: "Steve" <***@aol.com>
Date: 11 Nov 2005 13:45:32 -0800

Subject: Re: FASCIST-NEOCON RIGHT-WING SPIN EXCERCISE

"I do find it EXTREMELY suspicious that dubya bush,
who *RARELY* left Washington in 2001, except for
frequent trips to Texas (on taxpayers money no less)
was in Florida the morning of 911 .. in a school
no less. Coincidence? I'm not convinced!
...there's DEFINITELY an gigantic underground adjenda
going on in the great, free country of USA .. and it
ain't from those nasty muslim arabs that the media is
fixated on. lol."

http://tinyurl.com/s7zy6
----------------------------------------------------

So anyway, with the entertainment portion
of this post out of the way,

1q SUNS/MAVS ov 53.5 oly
o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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Steve Pesigan, the Canadian delivery driver
who claims to have a 70% win percentage, and
is an ANTI-Republican claiming GWB is a "FASCIST"
and claims ANOTHER conspiracy theory that GWB
Post by Catron
I agree that it's rediculous for Steve to think the apollo program was
a fake, but he has the right to believe what he wants regardless of how
ASSININE HIS BELIEFS ARE
There were simply too many very serious
flaws in the apollo "programs" (movies).
you may be just a bit uninformed perhaps and gullible ..
Steve Pesigan
Well, I hesitiate to take sides, but I gotta
go with catron on that one.
But here is yet ANOTHER whacko conspiracy theory
from the Canadian delivery driver, steve:


From: "Steve" <***@aol.com>
Date: 11 Nov 2005 13:45:32 -0800

Subject: Re: FASCIST-NEOCON RIGHT-WING SPIN EXCERCISE

"I do find it EXTREMELY suspicious that dubya bush,
who *RARELY* left Washington in 2001, except for
frequent trips to Texas (on taxpayers money no less)
was in Florida the morning of 911 .. in a school
no less. Coincidence? I'm not convinced!
...there's DEFINITELY an gigantic underground adjenda
going on in the great, free country of USA .. and it
ain't from those nasty muslim arabs that the media is
fixated on. lol."

http://tinyurl.com/s7zy6
----------------------------------------------------
So anyway, with the entertainment portion
of this post out of the way,
1q SUNS/MAVS ov 53.5 oly
Marion pts ov 20 -155 5d
TERRY pts + ast ov 21.5 -140 5d
TERRY +7.5+100 P+A vs Nash inter
Most made FTs? DAL -152 pin
o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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you may be just a bit uninformed perhaps AND GULLIBLE
----------------------------------------------------
So anyway, with the entertainment portion
of this post out of the way,
W...1q SUNS/MAVS ov 53.5 oly
p...Marion pts ov 20 -155 5d
W...TERRY pts + ast ov 21.5 -140 5d
L...TERRY +7.5+100 P+A vs Nash inter
W...Most made FTs? DAL -152 pin
= 3-1-1, +2.0 units
o***@work.coms
19 years ago
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Steve Pesigan, the Canadian delivery driver
who claims to have a 70% win percentage, and
is an ANTI-Republican claiming GWB is a "FASCIST"
and claims ANOTHER conspiracy theory that GWB
Post by Catron
I agree that it's rediculous for Steve to think the apollo program was
a fake, but he has the right to believe what he wants regardless of how
ASSININE HIS BELIEFS ARE
There were simply too many very serious
flaws in the apollo "programs" (movies).
you may be just a bit uninformed perhaps and gullible ..
Steve Pesigan
Well, I hesitiate to take sides, but I gotta
go with catron on that one.
---------------------------------------------------
So anyway, with the entertainment portion
of this post out of the way, I like the
2/ Angle. It is VERY RARE that a WINNING
team with a WINNING home record, loses
3 straight home games to an opponent (unless
opp is a SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER team with the
much better ROAD record to prove it)
let alone lose FOUR straight at home!
Of course, angles are NOT guaranteed!
And the ANGLE continues...

Sooner or later however a WINNING TEAM
with a winning home record will lose the
first three of a 4-game series, then lose
the 4th as well...
But an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the time
when these situations arise the homie
manages to claw out a game 4 win to salvage
some pride...
SteveA
19 years ago
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Post by o***@work.coms
And the ANGLE continues...
Sooner or later however a WINNING TEAM
with a winning home record will lose the
first three of a 4-game series, then lose
the 4th as well...
But an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the time
when these situations arise the homie
manages to claw out a game 4 win to salvage
some pride...
A little divine intervention never hurts. Mariano Rivera, the best
closer in baseball over the past 10 years who has probably successfully
closed something like 97% of 9th inning save situations over that time,
injured his back putting on his shoes before the game and was
unavailable, so Farnsworth had to pitch the 9th with a 1 run lead.
Farnsworth is a good pitcher but he has failed in the past whenever he
has been thrust into the closer role (in Atl & Chicago).
HC
19 years ago
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Post by g***@yahoo.com
Post by HC
It's 93 degrees and thunderstorms where I am.
You should go outside on such a nice day... and wave around a metal
golf club when you hear the thunder rolling in.
I disagree, if I were to go outside in a thunderstorm waving around a
golf club, there's a chance I could get struck by lightning. That would
be a pretty fucking stupid thing to do, in fact, I would probably offer
advice completely opposite to that of George's.

Almost sounds like George wishes harm on me.
HC
19 years ago
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Post by g***@yahoo.com
You people are sad to watch... it's a beautiful day out and you clowns
spend the day sitting at your computers, feverishly pounding the
keyboard with one hand and spanking your monkey with the other.
Spending the Memorial Day holiday sending flames and insults back and
forth. What a bunch of retards.
There are only two people here that made reference to the weather
today, George Catron. Both said it was a beautiful day.

And here they are BOTH, "feverishly pounding the keyboard" as George
put it.

I can't help but laugh.
o***@gmail.com
7 years ago
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Post by David
Not sure what the odds are, but I like Helio Castronuevez to win Indy.
Spiderman baby!
You guys are harsh.

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